in danville, kentucky. presidential debate will be moderated by our own candy crowley and we'll follow the political news for you throughout the week. "cnn newsroom" with don lemon begins right now. good morning. >> i hope you got more sleep than i did. at least you can go back and rest now. >> stories we're watching in the newsroom, verbal slugfest. joe biden squares off with paul ryan. who won, who lost? this morning we're asking is anyone really changing their vote? >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean a bunch of stuff? >> it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it is. we irish call it mularkey. >> thanks for the translation. >> verbal fire works between the two vice presidential candidates.

this debate had some real horsepower and we've got the lowdown for you. turning to prayers, scores of pakistanis are showing their support for a 14-year-old activist who survived an assassination attempt by the the taliban. now dozens of people have been arrested in the case. moving times, space shuttle "endeavour" begins a two-day, 12-mile trip on the streets of l.a. we're taking you there live. "newsroom" starts right now. good morning, everyone. i'm don lemon in for carol co costello. glad it's friday. i know you were up late, watching the debate. all it needed was a ring announcer, right? prime time slug fest known as the vice presidential debate lives up or down to expectations. in this corner, joe biden, the experienced brawler, squaring off with the challenger, up and comer, paul ryan. both men trying to win on points. both men doling out punishment.

listen to this. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. it's been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> it's been done a couple of times actually. jack kennedy lowered tax increase growth rate. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> so who won? we asked folks who watched the debate who won. according to the cnn/orc poll 48% said ryan performed better. 44% gave it to joe biden. that's within the margin of error. let's get some perspective on this. jessica yellin is our chief white house correspondent. ron brownstein is the editorial director for the national journal. let's start with substance. there's been a lot of talk about style. i want you to listen to how each of the men handled the issue of

libya, something that's in the news right now, and that deadly attack on the u.s. consulate. listen. >> this is becoming more troubling by the day. they first blamed the youtube video. now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security again. and, by the way, at the time, we were told exactly -- we said exactly what the intelligence community told us, that they knew. >> jessica, this is an issue that the white house and the campaign are going to have to deal with now through november and beyond. and a lot of people were paying attention to what joe biden had to say and many people said, you know what? he didn't really score so well there. >> reporter: well, on that case, yeah, he seemed to put the blame on the intelligence community quite squarely. he did not seem uncertain of himself. so he had a clear answer.

they were clearly ready for it. but this is definitely not a strong suit for the white house or the campaign. and it is something of a problem. but i point no doubt -- i point out it's not really a problem for the administration or the white house as it is for the political campaign, how the economic issues have impacted their lives. when it comes to these foreign policy debates the larger question of whether the bush -- sorry, the obama foreign policy is unraveling, as ryan said, really goes to people's perceptions of the president's leadership and his strength as a leader. that matters much less right now than these economic concerns, don. >> byiden came in, knowing he needed to be aggressive, to make up for the president's lackluster performance. with an icy smile on his face, i want you to listen to how he

responded to paul ryan's criticism of the obama stimulus program. >> i love my friend here had. i'm not allowed to show letters. go on our website. he sent me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of wisconsin? we sent millions of dollars. >> you did ask for stimulus money. >> sure he did. >> on two occasions, we advocated for constituents applying for grants. that's what we do for all constituents. >> i love that. this is such a bad program and he writes me a letter saying the reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs. his words. and now he's sitting here, looking at me -- >> all right. so, ron, this question is for you. was biden too aggressive last night? was he playing the attack dog role that his campaign needed? this was one particular answer where paul ryan actually did not score so well as well. >> first of all, i thought it was a terrifically entertaining

and informing evening, which proves the point that debates work better when everybody involved, including both participants and the moderator all actually show up. it was, in that sense, a big step forward from last week. look, i thought that biden actually hit a pretty good balance. i thought they both delivered strong performances but joe biden delivered more of what his side needed. democrats needed to see the case that they so laboriously have been building since the spring. they wanted to see that made against last night after the president insplikably raised almost none of it. if you listen during those 90 minutes biden shoe horned in almost every issue, going back to paul ryan's advocacy of partial privatization under george wncht bush, the 47%, on and on and on. style questions of whether biden was too outraged and the opin n

opinionated uncle at the thanksgiving table, that's another issue. the point of vow of what the campaign needed, biden delivered it, stayed on message and delivered point by point. >> i watched at my local watering hole, walked home, watched the rest of the debate. by the time i got home, people in the bar were cheering joe biden and liked his facial expressions. they liked it because they said he was being a regular guy. then the post analysis, hearing people say, you know when? paul ryan clearly won this debate. it was a disconnect from what i actually witnessed real time people watching than what the pundits were saying. and people going, what is cnn talking about? joe biden was on his game. he's trending on twitter in a good way, in a bad way, he clearly was in command of the stage last night. >> both of them performed well. paul ryan was much more confident and assured than he was in his speech, acceptance speech in august. i think he handled himself very

well. i think biden delivered more of what his side needed. look at the polling. cnn poll had ryan winning, cbs poll had biden winning. biden was effective when he got back to framing this as a choice of who is on your side. ryan, in the answer on libya was effective when he could get back to whether the past four years justify another four years. those are each strong arguments for those remaining undecided voters, which is why i think the debate, above all, shows we may be headed for the third photo finish presidential election out of the last four. >> jessica, if you listen to the reaction, it appears from joe biden's performance, i think people are saying, you know, joe biden, after that phone call with president obama, his first words were you're welcome. how is the administration dealing with this? do they see it the same way? >> reporter: he went into this happy to be able to defend the honor of the white house and this administration and will probably come out of it feeling

he did that. and the administration and the campaign were thrild with the performance last night for the very reasons ron outlined. especially because biden forcefully made the case that the democratic base wanted to hear about the president's economic message. essentially, you know, many democrats were so disappointed after the president's performance last week. somebody needed to come out and reenergize them. and so that's what the vice president was aabble to do. now it's up to the president to see if he can pick it up from there next week, don. >> don, real quick, still the hole in the donut, like obama last week, as strong as biden was, almost nothing about what a second term, second obama term would bring, particularly on the economy. big missing piece. tough on the republican choice, tough on defending their first term. what will he deliver if voters give them another four years? not much on that last night. >> television plays a big role.

this was not held in a stadium, but a smaller venue for people to watch on television. and it was great television. whatever you thought about their performance. >> it was. >> thank you. appreciate it, guys. joe boyden, paul ryan pitching medicare proposals while trying to scare voters about their opponent's plans. tom foremangoes beyond the scare tactics and explains what the two sides are offering. >> don, there's no issue out there right now that's a bigger deal for people over the age of 65 than the future of medicare. government health care program for those people, about 54 million americans rely on it. long-term financial health now is very shaky. the scary part, though, is that each campaign says the other side's plans for dealing with that are terrible. >> obamacaretakes $716 from medicare to spend on obamacare. >> all you seniors, have you

been denied choices or lost medicare advantage? >> they haven't put a credible solution on the table. >> their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. >> this is their essential claim, that my opponent will destroy medicare. is that really true? let's take a look at some of the facts and consider it. i'll bring in some tools here. look at the white house plan, to begin with. the landscape they're dealing with. the cost of medicare generally will increase over the next 10 years till it reaches about $1 trillion annually. they want to reduce that by about 10%. that's the orange part here, the part they're cutting out. now, the opponents look at that and say that's real care for real people that you're getting rid of and you just can't do that. the white house says, hold on. no, it's not. that's a reduction in the amount of money we're paying to the administrative costs of hospitals and to insurance programs. in a word, they say, that is waste. we can get rid of it and we should get rid of t that's the

white house take on things. now if you bring on the romney/ryan plan, the landscape is just the same. they have the same increase. they also want to reduce it by about 10%, but they want to rely on the private sector, not government, to get that done. in a word, they're going for vouchers. they don't like calling it vouchers but that's really what it is. right now if you're on medicare what happens is that the government pays medicare. medicare pays the hospital. the hospital takes care of you. under this plan, the government would pay you and you would decide if you wanted to buy into medicare or into private insurance that will create competition between the two and their theory and that is how you get at that very same waste that the white house wants to get out. these are two very complicated, huge programs. there are critics on both sides who say this plan won't work or that plan won't work or this plan will leave people strand or that plan will leave people stranded. the truth is, it is complicated. it's hard to deal with all of

that. if we go to this basic claim that both sides have raised, that somehow this is all about destroying medicare, that simply false. it is a scare tactic, no matter which side is saying it. why are they saying it so much? look at the map and you know, across the country, the baby boomers are getting older. they're becoming a bigger percentage of the voting population fast. all those dark states is where the percentage is highest. look at florida. battleground state, more than 17% of the population there is over the age of 65. these are engaged voters. they are voters who show up when it's time to vote. and they're very concerned about medicare. even though both sides say neither plan is going to affect people over the age of 65 right now. they're engaged on this issue and whichever soid wins twhicise medicare debate will probably win a lot of senior votes. >> we'll have more coverage of the debate throughout this hour.

9:30 eastern, review from the obama camp. are they nursing some bruises from exchanges like this one? >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> nobody is -- >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up lost ground, but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> great television. it's your chance to see it all for yourself. we'll replay the entire debate noon eastern right here on cnn. it's the little things in life that make me smile.

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top stories now on cnn, p k pakistani girl who survived an assassination attempt from the taliban is getting support from around the country. the girl is currently on a ventilator and remains unconscious after being shot in the neck on tuesday. some uproar at the announcement of this year's nobel peace prize winner. this time it didn't go to just one person but rather a group, 27 nations of the european union.

the nobel committee cited the eu for its peaceful reconciliation after world war ii and spreading democracy. space shuttle "endeavour" is on the move in los angeles at 2 miles an hour. man. flying through l.a., right? it's on the first leg of its 12-mile journey to the california science center. the trip is expected to wrap up tomorr tomorrow. we'll be taking you there live a little later on this hour. let's go back to politics now. both sides are claiming victory after last night's vice presidential debate. with all the comments about smirks, smiles, snarky remarks, there was actually some substance, like this exchange on abortion. >> with respect to abortion, the democratic party used to say they want it to be safe, legal and rare. now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer

fund i funding. taxpayer funding in obamacare, taxpayer funding in foreign aid. the president himself went to china and said he sympathized or wouldn't second guess that their one-child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. that, to me, is pretty extreme. >> with regard to abortion, i accept my opponent's position on abortion, life begins conception. i accept it in my personal life. i refuse to impose it on equally devout christians, muslims and jews and just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman. erick erickson is in macon, georgia. good morning to both of you. did you get any sleep? >> oh, yeah. >> i got none. i was up watching. >> i slept very well. very satisfied.

>> hilary, listen, i think most people did. i know i did. i really leaned in to listen when the two men talked about religion and abortion. i think most people probably did. >> yep. you raise a really good point because there hasn't been much talk of some of the social issues over the last couple of weeks. when you look at what's happening in the battleground states, the romney/ryan ticket, which is pretty far extreme on a number of these issues, women's reproductive health, access to contraception, discrimination on things like definitions of rape, women really are responding to that. and it's a big reas why the obama/biden ticket is so far ahead in so many battleground states with women. and i thought that last night's debate, you know, you had a clip -- it's kind of the untalked about thing this morning -- raised a bunch of issues for the campaigns to be talking about over the next

couple of weeks. yes, the economy is important. wh women have to worry about their health care and the economy, that's just an extra burden. and i think it came out well last night. >> i think people were paying particularly close attention, erick because of mitt romney's comments to the des moines register, and there are other reasons. it's a very timely issue, erick. even though it was about the economy, this was supposed to be about foreign policy, this abortion issue really hit the radar last night. >> you know, i think it did. but to hilary's point, i'm sorry, had hilary, but you're just wrong on this. in the g aallup poll, pew poll, mason dixon poll, women are pro life with the exceptions paul ryan named, and he is absolutely right. the democratic party went from keep it safe, legal and rare to any time, any way, with taxpayer funds and joe biden did tell china he wasn't going to judge them and was sympathetic with their one-child policy.

we could have this debate all day. i have to tell you, i would say that joe biden's serious demeanor at the end, his tone of voice, had he done that throughout the debate, i don't think there would have been a question that he would have won the debate, had he done that. i realize what the democratic party's mascot is, to rally his base the entire way didn't do a good job. >> we'll talk style in just a minute here. if you could, keep it brief. i have a lot of things i want to talk to you about. let's talk about the candidates trying to connect with personal experience. they tried to connect with voters through their policies. take a listen. >> i understand what it's like when i was a little younger than the congressman, my wife was in an accident. killed my daughter and my wife, and my two sons survived. i have sat in the homes of many people that have gone through what i've been through. one thing you can give people

solace is to know if they know you've been through it, that they can make it. >> medicare and social security going bankrupt. these are indisputable facts. we've all had tragedies in our lives. i think about what they've done for my own family. my mom and i had my grandmother move in with us, who was facing alzheimer's. medicare was there for her, just like it's there for my mom right now, who is a florida senior. after my dad died my mom and i got social security survivor benefits, helped her go back to college in her 50s where she started a small business because of the new skills she got. >> so, erick, did this help either of the candidates when it comes to medicare reform, these personal stories? >> you know, i thought paul ryan was really able to reassure people. it's hard to demonize a guy when he's saying how much it benefited him. i wish we had played the larger clip of joe biden on his family. it came right after paul ryan made the crack about joe biden's

gaffes and really completely shift shifted away what could have been a bad moment for biden into a touchy moment. i think people forget about joe biden, a compelling, tragic story that makes people connect to joe biden. >> hilary? >> i think there's no question that both of these are nice guys. ryan, i think, is sort of compelling and eager and, you know, quite earnest. i liked both of their stories. the thing that is quite frustrating for me is the untold story about medicare is not whether he purposely wants to destroy it. it's that they're using it as a way to cut the federal budget, which erick is going to say is the right thing. he's not telling people the truth, which is we're going to cap how much money we're going to give you. if you can go out there in the private sector and find insurance that only costs that much money, you'll be fine. we will not have cut medicare at all. whereas, you know, the president

and joe biden are saying, we're going to guarantee you this bep fit and we're going to put the penalties and pressure on the providers to make sure tha these programs are affordable and don't rip off the government. >> and bankrupt the government to do it. >> and don't rip off the government. so it's too very different approaches. one is kind of trust me and the other is you don't have to trust me. i'm there for you. >> you guys sound like the folks who were on the stage last night. i'm glad we got to talk sub tan stan active issues. we could talk style. the late-night talk shows, daily show, they'll have their way with it. so, thank you, guys. talk to you soon. >> thank you. take care. >> thank you. if you missed the vice presidential debate, you can see it again today at noon eastern in its entirety here on cnn. jp morgan chase bounces back in a big way. bank posts record quarterly profits after a titanic trading loss in may. what fueled its all-time high.

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newsroom newsroom." voters who watched the debate felt ryan won, 48-44. the difference fallswithin the margin of error of five percentage points. what was billeds a thrill in the ville certainly did not disappoint. sparks flew between vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan. listen to this. >> with all due respect that's a bunch of mularkey. >> why is that so? >> not a thing he said is accurate. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here is the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it is. we irish call it mularkey sxwlt vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. and so does romney. >> more people signed up for medicare advantage after the

change. nobody is -- >> mr. vice president, i know -- >> no, this is the time. >> mr. vice president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up lost ground but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> don't take all the four minutes then. it's been done before. it's precisely what we're proposing. >> it has never been done before. >> it has been done a couple of times. jack kennedy decreased tax growth. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> that's why these -- which if i'm not mistaken governor romney says we should continue. i may be mistaken. he changes his mind so often, i could be wrong. >> president obama has said he thought he was too polite in his debate with mitt romney. joe biden definitely did not play the polite card. biden offered up an aggressive attack on his challenger and roin delivered a spirit defense of conservative strategies proposed by the romney campaign.

how several newspapers and w websites are describing the debate this morning. it was rapid fire. it was lively. mply put, it was hard to turn away from. i agree with that. maryland governor martin o'malley joins me now. good morning, mr. o'malley. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well, don. thank you. the vice president went out there and did what he needed to do and a lot of people are energized to see him on such an aggressive and needed calling out of the falsehoods and shell games that these other guys are proposing. >> i know you have some pull. can you talk to some folks and say one more, at least, vice presidential debate, please? that was the most interesting television i think i have seen in a very, very long time. regardless of what you think about, you know, what was actually said. it was great to watch. >> you know, i enjoyed it. i think the moderator also did a very good job. she allowed them to get into it. she allowed them to draw the contrast between the failed

policies that paul ryan is pushing on us once again. and the real record of progress that the obama/biden administration has accomplished. you know, sometimes, don, when you and i are focused on this race as we have been for many months sometimes we lose sight of the fact that for most moms and dads they're only focusing their attention really intently on this now. >> agreed. >> what we gloss over, the vice president's rendition of the progress we are making, 31 months in a row of positive private sector job growth, home foreclosures being driven to lower levels than before. >> governor? >> yes, sir. >> let's stick to the debate. obviously you think that joe biden won last night. >> i do. >> does this debate matter? does it change the momentum back to favor the obama camp, especially considering the president's performance last week? >> i think it does matter. i think it matters in two

respects. one, i think it does energize all of those people who were inclined to vote for president obama, many of whom who were volunteering on the campaign, energized them to see that spirited advocacy at the table that joe biden gave to us. the othe thing that matters is that tiny sliver of people who are, as of yet, undecide or maybe undecided about whether they vote. what you saw from joe biden was a very passionate, very passionate advocacy for the plight of that middle class. >> the facial expressions, joe being joe, as some say, that turned off some people in the middle? that's what some polls show. >> the polls i've seen is that the people in the middle were the ones that overwhelmingly gave the debate to vice president biden. and, frankly, don, you know what? some of the things they're proposing are laughable. we should laugh at some of these things. >> listen, i want you to listen

to the romney camp. here is what dan senor had to say. >> striking on substance where congressman ryan laid out a plan that he and governor romney want to pursue for the next four years. he laid out what happens happened over the last four years. now the vice president tonight couldn't articulate what happened, no real explanation for what happened over the last four years. >> in continuing in the vain of what you're saying, do you think the obama camp are low on specifics? >> no, i don't. i was shocked at how few specifics paul ryan had. these guys, in the height of hubris audacity, maybe in contempt of the intelligence of the voters are 28 days out and haven't put forward their plan with any specifics. paul ryan was always billed as this wonky guy who can really sweat the details. i thought he looked rather shallow and without any specifics last night. the vice president was able to talk to a level of detail on the recovery and reinvestment act and he even had better details

on paul ryan's budget than paul ryan had on paul ryan's budget. >> talking about experience, he definitely played up his experience, talking, quote, bibi netanyahu was his friend, worked with president reagan. did that make him seem con descending to a younger, less experienced person? >> i don't. perhaps i'm a little bit -- i've worked with the vice president, along with all of the other governors as we implemented the recovery and reinvestment act. he was on the phone with us. he actually understands how these programs work. he asks intelligent questions. he has actually run big defers and h -- endeavors. that lack of experience on paul ryan's part really showed through last night. i don't think it was con descending at all. superior knowledge to the opponent on the stage last night. >> appreciate you coming on. >> thank you.

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j.jp morgan chase has just announced record profits. alison kosik joins us. >> ceo jamie dimon said third-quarter earnings, housing market saying he believes it's turned a corner. what the bank said it made is $5.7 billion over the past three months, revenue is up too. housing market recovery is what has a lot to do with these big

numbers, saying trends continue to improve. people taking out mortgages and refinancing. reality is, we're not back to normal. even dimon acknowledges this, saying he's still seeing a lot of people having a hard time making mortgage payments. the worst appears to be over. yes, it's good news for the banks, jp morgan chase, rolling in the dough but also good news for the rest of us. >> weren't we just talking about a huge multi-billion dollar trading loss at jp morgan? is the bank saying anything about that today? or are they simply ignoring it? >> that's a good point. yes, we were talking about it a lot. dimon is clearly trying to focus people's attention on its record earnings. in a conference call today, in fact, dimon called that $5.4 trillion trading loss a side show, like small potatoes. they're still dealing with it. traders are in risk reduction mode. the bank had to fire some people.

shares took a big hit as well but have since recovered. there's still one more monster under the bed for jp morgan chase. they still have to deal with more litigation. don? >> alison kosik, thank you very much. demonstrations across pakistan showing support for the school girl activist shot by the taliban. we'll update you on her condition and the hunt for her would-be killers. your ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee... affording peace of mind to anyone who might be in the market for a new set of res? your ford dealer. i'm beginning to sense a pattern. buy four select tires, get a $60 rebate. use the ford service credit credit card, get $60 more. that's up to $120. where did you get that sweater vest? your ford dealer.

visuals are happening across pakistan for the 14-year-old acti activist. she is fighting for her life, transferred to a hospital near islamabad. she is sedated and on a vept later. 200 people have been arrested in suspicion of colluding in the attack but only 35 remain in custody. and the taliban has vowed to kill her if she survives. reza sayah is in islamabad right now. pakistani authorities unleashed a drag net. what could come of these arrests? >> reporter: well, obviously,

don, they are under tremendous pressure to make something happen in this investigation and to find the culprits. they know it's not just pakistan, the entire world is watching. but what we're hearing and seeing is a lot of conflicting of accounts of government officials. interior minister is telling us that authorities have identified two gunmen and they will be arrested soon. foreign minister saying 100 people were detained for questioning and then you have a regional police chief who told us today that 200 people were detained for questioning but 35 are still in custody and three of those individuals have identified a man with suspected links to the taliban. they're telling police apparently that he was the mastermind. but this police chief is making it clear there is no hard evidence. >> can we stop thi here, please? rez reza, we're having a problem with reza's satellite signal. we'll try to get back to you. it's a very important story and our viewers need to know about

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it is literally and figuratively an historic endeavor. get it? to its final resting spot, the california science center, traveling at the breakneck speed of 2 miles an hour. and witness to all of this, john zarrella in los angeles. is that the -- look how cool that is. right behind you. you're on the route. not only on the route. was going to say, where is the shuttle now? there it is.

>> reporter: hey, don. you know, it's funny. i've seen "endeavour" and all the other vehicles, shuttles take off. i've seen them land. i've been inside "endeavour." but you could never have told me in a million years that i would be standing on the streets of los angeles with the shuttle sitting in a parking lot behind me. that's what it's doing right now, and will be for the next nine hours. it actually left the los angeles international airport about three hours ago. it's only gone about a mile and a half to get here, two miles. and literally what they did is they had time to kill, is the way they're putting it. because they don't want to be trying to move it during rush hour in los angeles and they wanted to get it out of the airport before rush hour. they're sitting it here for nine hours. they're going to move some lights and some overhanging power lines and reconfiguring the transport that's underneath it there. the transporter, widening it out a little bit so that "endeavour" can actually climb curbs, go over medians and everything else

as they continue to "endeavour" to get to the california science center. 46 hours over the course of two days. tomorrow will really be the big day. they've got ceremonies planned all along the route, one at a mall, one at the old forum. to me, don, one of the most interesting things about this particular vehicle, we all know it would never have been built had it not been for the challenger accident and christopher mccallive would have been the first teacher in space who perished and barbara morgan who was her backup actually flew in space and the vehicle she flew on, endeavour, so kind of closed the circle, finally. to me that was one of the great -- and to see it go to a place of learning, the california science center is perfect for this vehicle and all of the others. don? >> we're looking at the pictures of it flying over the hollywood

sign. i just can't get enough of this and you're standing right here in front of this thing. these pictures are great, television, all about pictures, right? this is live, happening in los angeles and john zarrella is there. john, are people excited? because there was a bit of controversy about the trees. what's the reception like for this thing? >> reporter: yea. yea. it's been spectacular. again, police have told them, listen. tomorrow is the big day to celebrate. stay out of the way and let them do their thing with it, but all along the route even as early as 1:00 in the morning pacific time here people were lined up waiting for it to go by along the airport and the roadway and yes, there were issues of cutting down the trees and 250 tree his to be cut down and the science center said, look, we'll replant two for every one that we had to cut down and i talked to the head of the science center just a little while ago and he was telling me, don't forget, there are places along this route, particularly tomorrow where the clearances are literally a couple of inches

on either side of the 78-foot wingspan, so it will be touchy and they're going to be going very, very slow, slower than the 2 miles an hour when they hit those spots. don? >> people get upset when you take one parking space and it is taking up 25 parking spaces. thank you very much, john zarrella, we appreciate it. >> sure. >> they've been together half a century and they're still ready to rock. the rolling stones out with a new song. their first in seven years. mike rowe here at a ford dealer with a little q&a for fiona. tell me fiona, who's having a big tire event? your ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee... affording peace of mind to anyone who might be in the market for a new set of res? your ford dealer. i'm beginning to sense a pattern. buy four select tires, get a $60 rebate. use the ford service credit credit card, get $60 more. that's up to $120. where did you get that sweater vest? your ford dealer.

50 years -- after 50 years and still got it. the rolling stones coming out with two new songs, their first in seven years. ♪ ♪ ♪ the single "doom and gloom" already out on itunes topped the hundred download. michelle turner is with us this morning from los angeles. how cool is this? >> very cool, don, and yea, my life's mantra is if you start me up i'll never stop. >> uh-oh, all right.

>> that's dangerous, but you know what? at this stage isn't just about everybody this younger audience for the stones they're trying to go after this younger audience? i'm not saying that they're old, but just that they've been doing rock 'n' roll for a very long time. the new songs are being released as the 50th anniversary compilation. so if you can't get a younger audience after playing for 50 years, where do you go from there, right? this song, their new song is classic stones and that's always meant across the board broad appeal and like you said it's already a hit and they're talking about playing a few shows. we've already heard about a concert in london, a concert in brooklyn and they will add a few more shows to that list and i am hoping and praying that los angeles is on that list. >> everyone wants to go to the barclays center in brooklyn. it is all the rage. it will be a great concert. thank you, michelle, appreciate

it. talk about must-see tv. congressman paul ryan said he expected biden to come at him look a canon ball. biden delivered. we'll have more of the debates in the next hour of the cnn "newsroom." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire

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once-in-a-lifetime event for you. and big-name chefs roast anthony bourdain. our correspondent says the night was filthy and hilarious. how's that to grab your attention? "newsroom" starts right now. good morning, everyone. i am don lemon. carol is off today. it is the undercard to the title fight, but this vice presidential debate had plenty of punch after joe biden and paul ryan shook hands, they came out swinging. listen. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these important preferences for middle class -- >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. it's. >> it has never been -- >> -- on oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> we have to ask this.

who won? we asked people who lost the debate. according to the cnn/orc poll. 48% said ryan performed better. 44% gave the nod to biden. a lot of people don't agree with that. that's within the poll's margin of error. all right. let's break it all down for you. senior white house correspondent jessica yellin and dana bash will concentrate on ryan. look at you two standing there this morning. okay -- >> reporter: we just established -- she's taller. >> were you guys who's taller? we haven't gotten punch sleep so we're a little purchasy. >> three hours. we were watching this in the post-debate. it was great. jessica, let's listen to a sharp jab from biden and we'll talk. >> for a guy that says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility

in their own lives. my friend in a recent speech said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, they paid more tax than romney pays for the federal income tax. they're elderly people who are living off of social security. they're veterans and people fighting in afghanistan right now who are, quote, not paying any taxes. i've had it up to here with this notion that 47% -- it's about time they take some responsibility here and instead of signing pledges to grover nor quist not to ask the wealthiest among us to contribute to bring back the middle class, they should be signing a pledge saying to the middle class saying we're going to level the playing field. we're going to give you a fair shot again. >> all right. jessica, do you think this was mission accomplished for biden? >> reporter: that was what he came there to do. the democrats wanted the vice president to come in and make the economic case for the obama

ticket over the romney ticket and bring up that 47% to make all those angry democrats who were disappointed that the president didn't do it at the last debate. stop complaining and feel better and the vice president did it in that answer and he brought it up again. so on both of those counts by bringing up 47% twice and with another exchange he had which i think dana will refer to later on the stimulus debate, he really made the economic case for the administration and so the democrats are happy and relieved with that. >> all right. jessica yellin. the public may be split on who won last night's debate. maybe the polls are incorrect. that's what many people are arguing about this morning. that's really the big story. so the two big names said there was no doubt who won. here is a hint. those big names are obama and biden, of course.

>> i could not be prouder of him. i thought he made a very strong case. [ inaudible ] >> my father was enjoying the opportunity to debate congressman ryan on a very important issues facing this country, whether or not we build the middle class from the inside out george w. bush and paul ryan wanted to do with the trickledown notions whether it be on medicare and how we make sure that we have the medicare that we have for the future. >> if it's tough to hear the president who was saying i'm very proud of what joe biden did, and the reporter said did you call him? he said yes, i did. that was the substance of the president in case you couldn't hear it, the dark one there. congressional correspondent dana bash was also at last night's debate. she got a little sleep, just a

wee bit. so did i, so can you, dana, pry open your reporter's notebook and give us your score on whether ryan did well or maybe not so well. >> it plays right out of what jessica was talking about with the vice president hitting what the president left on the table last week which is that 47% comment which the democrats think is one of the most successful attack lines against the romney campaign. i was told before this debate that ryan knew very well that biden was going do that so he had his own prepared response and he nailed it. take a listen. >> with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean and so does romney. >> reporter: biden was right there ready for his response to

that, and also big picture, don and one of the big questions was paul ryan who is a generation-plus younger, and he said many times when it comes to the experience he has debating on the national stage whether he was going hold his own, and i think it's fair to say he did hold his own not just where paul ryan has his wheel house which is economic policy, but he stuck to the talking points that it was very clear that he practiced a lot with his staff on some of the complicated, but important issues on national security and national security did take up a lot of the debate whether it was syria or iran or afghanistan. he went toe to toe with the vice president. say what you will about the content of it and whether or not you agree with it, but you certainly saw the differences there. >> yea, thank you very much, dana. we appreciate it. get some sleep, will you? and tell jessica to do the same.

>> the romney camp says biden bombed, of course, while paul ryan rose to the occasion. here's what one of romney's foreign policy advisers said. >> you know, i've watched a lot of biden debate tape over the years. i have never seen him quite perform like he did tonight. i'll leave it to others to judge the impact and the demeanor and whether it was appropriate for the office of vice president. i thought the contrast was striking. on substance, when it comes to ryan to lay out the plan that they'll of the to pursue for the last four years. >> last night's debate wasn't short on style points and a whole bunch of malarkey. i haven't heard that word in a long time. laughing joe biden that went viral and they were super charged by the vice president's performance. the laughs and the interruptions were just plain rude.

joining me now is university debate director mr. ed lee. that's interesting though, because those were the same things that republicans congratulated mitt romney for doing just last week. so, listen, i will just say this an alert, and this is just my opinion, and i watched the debate and the post-debate analysis and what people are watching at home. i wonder who the people who are commenting to this are too close to this are political junkies because it was quite clear that joe biden owned the stage last night. what debate was everyone else watching? >> absolutely. successful per situations start and end with audience analysis. you have to know what your audience wants from you, and you have to know what you can get away with. >> i was raised by my grandmother and one of the things she used to tell me is one of the best things about

getting old is you get to say what you want and to who you want. >> one of the things about joe biden, he's older. of course, we know that he'll have to deal with someone being younger than him, just as he had to deal with sarah palin being a woman. he had to watch himself. you have to watch yourself about being aggressive. so you get it. >> absolutely. >> he had to deal with that particular issue. he was old school and he said, you know what? that's a bunch of junk, and i think most people can relate to that. >> yes. i think that most people are interested in someone being aggressive and telling the truth, telling it like it is. the thing that i find interesting about the commentary of this particular debate versus the previous debate was that when mitt romney was aggressive and it came off as being he was strong. he was assertive and resolute, and i think that in many ways that joe biden was playing the same role and strategically

needed to play it. >> think that people need to see what they want to see. it was not that tied into politics and to sit back and look at politics as a real person. when last week, when i said mitt romney clearly was the winner in that debate the left said, oh, my gosh you're carrying water for romney. what is this? tnn instead of cnn? this week same thing, joe biden clearly won whether you agree with him or not. he commanded the stage. what are you show for the obama administration? people see this along partisan lines. >> they definitely do. in many ways i agree with your assessment. the thing that both romney and joe biden did was that they controlled the tone and tenor of the conversation. >> right. >> that both were able to decide what the conversation would be about and when they would assert it. >> as a director of debate isn't that what you teach your students to do. absolutely.

that's what i am interested in. i am interested in my students understanding that you have to connect with the audience and a major component of connecting with the audience is figuring out what they want and telling them here's what i have to offer. >> so the interruption part that everyone is talking about, isn't it part of it, too, if the moderator is not stopping, it's up to the moderator to facilitate it, right? not to sort of facilitate it, but isn't part of it throwing your opponent off? >> i think it is part of throwing your opponent off and it is a tactic that joe biden can use and it may not have been one afforded to paul ryan in this instance. that if paul ryan interrupted 80 times he would have been seen as being unacceptable strategy because of what joe biden's experience brings. he's 69 years old. >> the producers are giving me a big wrap here. martha raddatz getting much praise and the right is saying that she was partial even though

biden only spoke one minute and 20 seconds longer than paul ryan. it wasn't that much longer. >> think it goes back to who was controlling the tone and tenor of the debate. >> thank you, sir. >> good and honest discussion. we appreciate it. all right? if you missed the debate, we'll replay it for you today at noon eastern here on cnn. the thrill and the vill makes for great tv, but how did it play out to the people? who really mattered and we'll speak to one group of voters to get their thoughts. now, that's what i call a test drive. silverado! the most dependable, longest lasting, full-size pickups on the road. so, what do you think? [ engine revs ] i'll take it. [ male announcer ] it's chevy truck month. now during chevy truck month, get 0% apr financing for 60 months or trade up to get the 2012 chevy silverado all-star edition with a total value of $8,000.

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infinite possibilities. . >> all right. y for joe biden and paul ryan, the goals of last night's debate were pretty clear. sure of support among the base and help people pick a side. they were talking to people like my next guest who have been checking in throughout the campaign here. they're part of the middle class talk back, mara bigner is a business and community engagement director. she is a democrat. mara boone classifies herself as

democrat and open to both parties and a navy captain. this is a cnn/orc poll after the debate and it gives it to ryan. who do you think won or was it a tie? >> i actually think that biden did a much better job. i definitely believe that paul ryan held his own and he was competent in his performance, but overall in terms of fact all information and delivery, i do think that biden one. >> mr. boniface, who do you think won? >> i think it your interpreted it. if you look at the transcript, it looks level. if you listened to it on radio, ryan. >> if you watched it, biden, ryan had the upper hand. >> biden was a much stronger player especially on foreign approximately see.

i thought he was a very, very credible vice president, knew his stuff. i thought again like nana said that paul ryan was credible or competent, but vice president biden, i thought, did a wonderful job. >> so you guys -- it's unskientesque, but we're saying sort of defies what the polls are saying. so there was a lot of talk about the demeanor. some of you mentioned it, did you think it was distracting or con descending? you mentioned mr. obama, do you think it was con descending? >> i thought biden had good points and he had good experience and he didn't need to do that. without having done that it would have been a runaway for him. >> miss boone? >> didn't find it as a distraction. we all know biden's character. he was being who he is and where he felt that things were ludicrous, he responded as such. he probably could have controlled it better, but to me it wasn't a distraction from his

delivery or the information he provided. >> there's something to be said about authenticity whether you agree or not with the facial expressions or whether he could have controlled them. was it distracting to you? >> well, it wasn't distracting. it was humorous, but it was joe biden. he was very, very passionate last night and i think that came across very well. i really wanted to hear somebody who was passionate and who would tell the truth, and i loved the malarkey comments. i thought that was perfect. >> i hadn't heard that word in a long time because i live in new york city and that's been a while. what issues, mara, back to you, do you want to hear more about that were not discussed? >> i think that i wanted to hear more specifics on the health care cuts that mr. ryan and mr. romney were going to do. i want to hear more specifics on that plan. i did not hear that, and when you said we're going to do tax cuts and a 20% tax cut and it,

you know, was there nothing to it, and it was just, like, this is what we're going to do, trust us. i don't trust them. >> what did you want to hear more about? >> i'm sorry, you called for bill? >> yes, bill. what did you want to hear more of? >> i wanted to hear more about the foreign policy aspect of things. i thought the libyan answers from the vice president were weak. i also would like to have been shown where the 5.2 million private sector jobs came from. i was a little bit disappointed and he comes with the wrong premise starting out and that is that he doesn't really care that much about american strength and american influence. he comes from a different position. >> yea. the libya response was not a good response from the vice president. it was probably one of the lowest points in the debate last night for him. listen,y know you didn't get much substance from anyone.

so what did you want to hear more of. >> i wanted to hear more about the private sector job, and i want to hear more about the tax cuts, you know? this is the second debate and we had the national conventions and i'm still not hearing substance. where's the beef? you want to cut 20% of taxes for every american across the country and they're failing to deliver on that, so it's hard for me to put blind faith in that ticket and say, okay, yes, you can have my vote and you tell me how you're going to implement any of the change that you describe. >> so did it decide anything for you last night? >> it didn't, but i will say it was a reprieve for the democratic party. >> okay. >> so for me, it was a utsch in better debate than the first one we had. there's a lot still yet to be seen so i'm looking forward to next week's debate. >> when we put together shows we can go on and on and on, and okay, you know what? the show goes on in a few minutes. let's do it. if the election were held today what would you do?

>> i'd vote democratic. >> you would? >> uh-huh. >> bill? >> if something doesn't work, get rid of it and find something that does. romney-ryan. >> mara? >> obama-biden. i don't want applausible vice president. >> thank you. i really enjoyed this conversation. really enjoyed this conversation. all right. we'll see you next time and it will either be me here or carol and you guys will be talking. just ahead, vigils today across pakistan, people showing support for the teenage activist who was nearly assassinated by the taliban. we'll update you on her condition and the hunt for her attackers.

>> prayers and protests today for a pakistani teen who dared to stand up to the taliban. malala yousefzai after being beaten tuesday in an assassination attempt. she's been transferred to a military hospital to islamabad on a sedated and 200 people have been arrested in suspicion of

kohl uded and just 35 are still in custody. taliban has its own interpretation of islamic law vowing now to kill the girl if she survives. re res sayeh is live. can we expect more arrests? >> reporter: this pakistani government is under intense pressure to fine these culprits and to find this gunmen. they know they have an audience. they know it's not just pakistan watching and it's the world watching this investigation and what we're seeing is conflicting accounts from top government officials. the interior minister is saying they've identified the gunmen and arrests are coming soon. the foreign minister is saying 100 people have been detained for questioning, but a regional police chief told us today 200 people were detained for questioning, 35 remain in custody. three of those individuals according to this police chief have identified the man with suspected links to the taliban.

they say he was the mastermind. the police are making it clear they don't have any hard evidence who did this, don. there is an inveigation. nothing substantial yet if there is something substantial they haven't made it public yet. >> reza sayah, thank you for that update. >> there is a good reason endeavour is moving 2 miles an hour. we want to show you how close those buildings are to that shuttle. we'll take you to los angeles for its big move. capella university understands businesses are trying to come back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever. when you see these problems do you take a step back,

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during the vice presidential debate joe biden, paul ryan took turns pitching medicare proposals while trying to -- the plans and explains what the two sides are really offering. >> hi, don. there's just no issue out there right now that's a bigger deal for people over the age of 65 than the future of medicare. medicare is the government health program for those people. about 50 million americans rely on it, and right now its long-term financial health is very shaky. the scary part, though, is that each campaign says the other side's plans for dealing with that are terrible. >> obama care takes $716 billion from medicare to spend on obama care. >> all you seniors out there, have you been denied choices? have you lost medicare advantage? >> they haven't put a credible solution on the table. >> their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare.

>> this is their essential claim that my opponent will destroy medicare, but is that really true? let's take a look at some of the facts and consider, i'll bring in some tools here. look at the white house plan to begin with. this is the landscape they're dealing with, the cost of medicare will generally increase over the next ten years until it reaches about $1 trillion annually. they want to reduce that by about 10% that's the orange part here and the part they're cutting out. their opponents say that's real care for real people that you're getting rid of, but the white house says hold on. no, it's not. that's a reduction in the amount of money that we're paying to the administrative cost of hospitals and to the insurance programs. in a word, they say that is waste. we can get rid of it and we should get rid of it and that's the white house take on thing, now if you bring in the romney, ryan plan the landscape is just the same and they also want to

reduce it by about 10%, but they want to rely on the private sector and not government to get that done. in a word, they're going for vouchers. they don't like calling it vouchers, but that's really what it is. right now if you're on medicare, what happens is the government pays medicare and medicare pays the hospital and the hospital takes care of you. under this plan the government would pay you and you would decide if you wanted to buy into medicare or into private insurance that would create competition between the two in their theory is that is how you get at that very same waste that the white house wants to get out. these are two very complicated, huge programs. there are critics on both sides who say this plan won't work or that plan won't work or this plan will leave people stranded or that plan will leave people stranded, but the truth is it's hard to deal with all of that. so if we go to the basic claim that both sides have raised that somehow this is all about destroying medicare, that is simply false. that is a scare tactic no matter

which side is saying it. so why are they saying it so much. all you have to do is look at the map and you know. across the country, the baby boomers are getting older. they're becoming a bigger percentage of the voting population fast and all of those dark states, look at florida here. battleground state and more than 17% of the population over the age of 65. those were engaged voters and they're voters who show up when it's time to vote and they're very concerned about medicare, even though both sides say neither plan is going to affect people over the age of 65 right now. they're engaged on this issue and whichever side wins the medicare debate will probably win a lot of senior votes. >> all right. thank you, mr. foreman. nice digs. i would like to have that in my house. if you missed any of the debate, we'll replay it for you today at noon eastern. a moment of rest on a momentous journey. we'll head live to los angeles for the final mission of the

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it is a 12-mile journey over two days. space shuttle endeavour is being towed through the streets of los angeles at just 2 miles an hour. we can see how close it gets to the structures. crews are using great care on this delicate move. >> we're able to go back and forth going left and right and turning at angles and you will see, tomorrow afternoon you'll see some areas where we are fine maneuvering and we'll go extremely slowly through this, because we have trees and inches on either side. >> mr. john zarrella, as a matter of fact, standing right out front. considering all of the miles that endeavour has traveled we're fretting so much over 12

miles, right? >> reporter: yea. 123 million miles traveled over the course of 25 space flights, 17,000 miles an hour going to the international space station and servicing the hubble space telescope and repairing satellites in orbit and doing all of that and this may be the most difficult mission that endeavour's 12 miles has ever undertaken and it's sitting here in a parking lot now and all of these people that are able to now kind of come over here and get a look at endeavour and get up close to it because this was one of those situations where they had this time to kill. they wanted to move it from lax, los angeles airport before the rush hour and get it to another staging area. that's here, and then they wanted to set it here until they got through with rush hour and wheel they reconfigure it a little bit and while they move some overhead power lines.

you can see how tall it is, there's no way that endeavour will make it under some of the power lines that they have crossing streets and the road signs so they've still got to do a little of that as they move over the next day or two days and it will be 46 hours, don, over the course of these two days before they actually arrive at the california science center tomorrow evening. tomorrow is a big day where they've got stands set up for people to come and watch endeavour and they've got areas where there will be performances taking place and celebrations to mark this great event. it still is to me baffling. i talked to the person from the california science center and you had that sound bite and as soon as they got the word that they would get one of these shuttles they began the work of trying to figure out the best way to get it from the airport, everything from flying it with heavy-duty helicopters and taking off the wings was even

talked about although that really wasn't a legitimate option at the end of the day and this was the best possible way to do it was through the streets of los angeles. don? >> there's a bigger monitor, and i want to see these incredible pictures and you can see there are barricades for the public and the media is a little bit closer. i want to just go up and touch it. are they letting anybody touch this thing? >> reporter: no. no, they aren't. everyone is being kept back. when we talked to some of the people in the crowd and it was almost like they're speechless. you say what do you think about this and they're, like, wow! wow! >> exactly. that's what i'm doing right here. wow! >> reporter: yea. that's what it is. it is -- i said to the head of the science center, this is a once in a life time experience, he said no, this is a once experience. not once. it will never, ever, happen again. >> grab someone with a camera phone there and take a picture and e-mail it to me just so i'll

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let's check your top stories right now. some uproar at the announcement of this year's nobel peace prize winner. it went to a group. the 27 nations of the european union pt they cited the eu for its peaceful reconciliation after world war ii and spreading democracy. >> a bizarre discovery off the coast of san diego where the coast guard discovered 3200 pounds -- 3200 pounds of marijuana. the drugs have been turned over to the local marine task force for disposal. the source of the marijuana, not known. go news for taxpayers, t.a.r.p., the government bailout

program for banks and automakers will cost you less and that's according to the congressional budget office who says the initiative will cost $24 billion, about 25% less than expected. well, it's time to stock up on those forever stamps because postage rates are about to go up again. the price of a first-class stamp heading up now to 46 cents. alison kosik watching this story from new york. it feels like we just had a rate increase and they're going up again. >> exactly, you're right about that. this happened almost a year ago and the united states postal service says they're doing this because they're in a financial crisis and this is not an exaggeration. look at this. the usps has lost almost $12 billion so far this year, it's been losing money for years. you know what the biggest financial monkey on its back is, congress mandates that the postal service has to set aside money, a lot of money for future retiree costs that goes into billions of dollars and it's

draining their cash. what the postal service is doing is begging congress to have the struck rar changes and it's asking to cut saturday service and that idea is controversial and congress is likely not to do anything until after the election. we will do what we can do without get approval for congress and that includes raising prices included on stamps and you're closing distribution offices. >> i don't know what the fix is when you consider 46 cents is not a lot to mail. >> right. >> i think if the postal service does go away, people are going to miss it. you don't know what you have until it's gone. go through the prices for us? is it just on first-class stamps or across the board? >> across the board shipping costs are going up. you look at first-class stamps and stamps for postcards, both are rising by a penny and the first-class stamp is going to 46 stamps and first-class stamps are going to 33 stamps. if you mail international destinations it will cost you

$1.10 and mail and shipping costs are going up 4%. you just touched on this, don. even with the incremental increases how are you going to make up billions of dollars on a shortfall here. we're not mailing as much as we used to and they'll have to mail a lot of letters, sell a lot of stamps. >> the handwritten letters will have to come back. >> thank you very much, allison. >> anthony bourdain holds nothing back when he goes after his fellow chefs. guess what? guess what happens when they turn the tables on him? a! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico.

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sharpening their verbal knifes to get back at anthony bourdain and they got their shot at a roast in new york city just last night. >> no expense has been spared. in fact, it is -- you think you've hit your, like, i can't go any further, and then somehow

deep inside the bowels of my destiny i got something darker. >> the charity event got filthy and hilarious according to cat kinsman who went to the event and she's cnn's manager of -- and there was a keystroke error of the evievite? you know how much i like food. >> ali velshi was there last night. >> that darnall i velshi. >> how was it? >> to borrow cooking terms, it got hot, it got spicy and it got salty. mr. bourdain will be joining us on cnn next year and my advice that they should put him in as a war correspondent because the man can be cool as a cucumber with bullets flying at his head. i managed to catch up with him on the red carpet before the event last night.

>> i know it's going to be bad because they're calling me up and they're asking me to do, it's terrible. he's apologizing in advance so it's going to be bloody. >> yea. it was -- it got ugly in there. we can't show you much of what was said, but people were really waiting especially for guy fieri and rachael ray to get up and rachael ray was cool as a cucumber and he and mr. fieri went at it hammer and tongs and i am just glad i wasn't caught in the middle of that last night. >> there was a serious side to this evening. it benefitted a charity. >> it did, and chefs are among the most generous people on the planet and this raised hundreds of thousand of dollars for share our strength, no kid hungry. the mission of this organization

is to make sure that kids get plenty of school lunch and school breakfast and thefr have to go bed hungry. >> next time no velshi. lemon. >> just lemon. >> got my eyes on you. thank you, kat. appreciate it. here's a mystery for you, a man taking a walk on a florida beach finds a giant eyeball? they think it may have come from a giant squid or a whale. look at that thing. and ahead, justin verlander carries the detroit tigers for a next round while another team also advances. we've got baseball playoff highlights.

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detroit ace justin verlander -- verlander, excuse me, threw his first career post-season shut out ending the oakland as surprising season. verlander had plenty of help as they put up six runs on the board. verlander was the stud in this game, striking out 11 times in 122-pitch performance. national league mvp candidate buster posey slapd grand-slam home run leading the giants to the nl championship series and they swept three games in cincinnati after losing the first two games in the division series at home. baltimore orioles and new york yankees played a deciding game five in the series later today. j.j. hardy had the game-winning hit and the 13th inning and last night as the as beat the yanks 2-1. new york was 0 for 9 with runners in scoring position. >> there will also be a game 5 in the st. louis-washington

series. they gave the nats a 2-1 win last night. the home are came in the 13th pitch of his at bat. in the nfl last night, tennessee titans scored twice in the last four minutes of the game to beat pittsburgh, 26-23. rob boronis kicked the 40-yard field goal. the steelers have lost three straight road games this season. i want to take you now to indianapolis, indiana, where former president bill clinton will be speaking in just a little while here. they're preparing the stage for him. it is called the hoosier common sense rally for obama. again, former president bill clinton will be speaking and you heard the dnc, the former president gave the current president a big boost in his re-election bid. so we'll keep you posted on that. in the meantime, i want to tll